Date:
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ATF FORM 4473
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Comment
From:
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Comment
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Justification for Comment
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Accept or Deny Comment
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6/25/08
Matt French
Sportsman’s
Warehouse
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(via email)
change color of form
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To assist those using the form and ATF Distribution Center
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Accepted will change color
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(2) transferee’s (buyer’s) telephone number
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To assist FFL dealers when the need arises to contact the customer
should there be a product recall or an error on the form after the
transfer
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Accepted, A new block 30c has been added for any optional
information.
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(3) segregate question 12 (if you are a nonimmigrant alien)
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Segregate either by creating a unique border around the question
or by printing the comments “If question 11.l. is answered
with a “no” response, THEN DO NOT complete
question 20.d.)” in all bold capital letters
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Accepted comment to bold THEN DO
NOT
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(4) anywhere date is required incorporate the format MM/DD/YYYY or
utilize the same format as question 7 (Month/Day/Year)
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Accepted and made necessary change for 21a.
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(5) question 18 - please include the language “check all
that apply”
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A transferee may be purchasing one or more of each type
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Accepted and incorporated “check all that apply”
18.
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(6) question 18 – please omit the word “frame”
from the type selection of other firearm
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Receiver is already listed and we believe is already listed and
more accurately describes a firearm with no barrel assembly
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Denied comment; Frame is in regulations definition Frame or
Receiver 921a(3).
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(7) question 20- please rephrase to read “alternate
government issued document if driver’s license or other
identification document does not show current residence address”
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This is necessary to satisfy ATF Ruling 2001-5
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Accepted and reworded 20a (Identification (e.g. Virginia
Drivers License (VA DL) or other valid government-issued photo
identification.) (See instructions for Question 20.a.)
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(8) question 29- please omit the word frame from the type
selection
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Receiver is already listed and we believe is already listed and
more accurately describes a firearm with no barrel assembly
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Denied comment;
Receiver is already listed and we believe is
already listed and more accurately describes a firearm with no
barrel assembly
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6/20/08
Mary Jo Hughes
DIO – St. Paul
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(via email)
Suggestions will not result in any changes
to the form, the comments are highlighted in red and capitalized
and bolded section headings and move section headings to the left
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They will be much more noticeable and serve to fully draw the
FFL’s and purchaser’s attention to these various
categories
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Denied comment for the revision of this form; this will
cause extensive formatting changes, and were currently to close to
the deadline of having form completed; will take this comment into
consideration for next renewal of form.
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6/13/08
Mark Buda
Triple Break Products
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(via email)
(1) Conflicting directions – the
directions specify for question 11 – check yes or no, 11.l.
tells you not to fill out question 12 even though directions for
11 say you must do so
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Accepted comment, reworded 11. Answer questions 22.a. (see
exceptions) through 11.1. and 12 (if applicable) by checking or
marking “yes” or “no” in the boxes to the
right of the questions.
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(2) question 11.l. take out “may proceed”
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Clarify by making change “and proceed”
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Accepted comment and incorporated change.
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(3) Currently the directions are ambiguous and cause major
confusion when someone falls into the “do not fill out
question 12” as directed by question 11.l., but directions
for 11 you must fill out.
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Accepted, reworded 11. Answer questions 22.a. (see
exceptions) through 11.1. and 12 (if applicable) by checking or
marking “yes” or “no” in the boxes to the
right of the questions.
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(4) put the signature and date area (question 16 and 17) to be
signed by buyer on page one
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It makes it much easier to go through when going through an
inventory audit.
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Denied, could not accept this comment due to printing
issues with ATF (document services); also this would cause
formatting issues to the form.
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(5) question 20.a. – provide more room
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This is needed when two or more items of identification are needed
– there is not enough room for the additional information.
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Accepted, incorporated additional space.
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(6) put back the area to write down the person you communicated
with (no question provided we believe he is writing about what
used to be question 21.f. re: NICS examiner name and number)
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This can be important when follow up communication is needed with
the State (not NICS) approval person and complex verification of
buyer’s identification documents.
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Accepted, A new block 30c has been added for any optional
information.
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(7) Signify what questions must be filled in and what questions
are optional.
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Accepted, A new block 30c has been added for any optional
information.
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(8) Question 2 – address block not big enough for a long
street/road name.
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It needs to be larger.
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Accepted, incorporated additional space.
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(9) Add text for question 9 (Unique Personal Identification
Number) that it is optional.
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Accepted, A new block 30c has been added for any optional
information.
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6/13/08
FBI NICS USER’S
CONFERENCE
(REC. by Eric Epstein)
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(1) Add language that purchaser is not relieved from any State law
(specifically “lying and buying” –they have used
the form 4473 in State cases)
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6/18/08
Barbara Wright
Cherry Roads
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(1) Inquired whether a determination was made on the size of the
form – is it changing to an 8 ½” x 11” or
is it remaining 8 ½” x 33”?
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Response: The electronic version will be the smaller size
(8 ½” x 11”) the hard copy will remain the same
(continuous 8 ½” x 33”)
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6/17/08
DAD Stucko received a comment from Wally Nelson
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(1) question 11.l. change to read “and proceed”
[remove “and may proceed”]
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Accepted, changed to read “and proceed”
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5/28/08 (received 6/3/08
Robert G. Marcus
President
Virginia Firearms
Dealers Association
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(1) With each new edition of the form the complexity increases and
friendliness to firearm seller and consumer decreases
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(synopsis)Form is outdated and should not be revised, but rather
replaced.
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Reviewed comment. Will not incorporated any changes, this
is the individuals personal opinion and ATF has responded by form
letter stating that we have taken this comment into consideration.
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(2) Add statement directly under the lines that begin “prepare
in original only” on page 1 – “Unless otherwise
noted, this transaction this represents a firearms sale or
transfer:___ Pawn Redemption ___ Repair pick up __ Return of a
Consignment
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We propose that it is the task of the dealer to indicate the
transaction type if necessary when furnishing the form to the
consumer.
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Denied, did not incorporate due to time constraints, will
consider incorporating in next renewal of form.
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(3) question 11.a. allows the boxes to remain unchecked if a
repair is picked up by a person other than the owner; however,
there is no provision on the form to indicate such a transaction
has taken place
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Without that information in the form, the lack of an answer to
11.a. could be misconstrued as an oversight for which a dealer may
be cited unnecessarily and inappropriately.
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Reviewed comment and determined this is clarified in the
Instructions: “if you are picking up a repaired
firearm(s) for another person, you are not required to answer
11.a. and may proceed to question 11.b.
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(4) by noting pawn redemptions at the beginning of the
transactions (see note 2 above) the question at 30.b. would be
eliminated. Requiring the vast majority of dealers who are not in
the pawn business to indicate the transaction does not involve
pawn redemptions is unusual.
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Reviewed comment; this was moved to the back of the form by
ATF Counsel to be consistent with Section D which outlines the
information the seller must document for the purchasing of a
firearm.
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(5) question 2 – is unnecessary because the block for State
is barely large enough to right Ohio or Iowa.
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Block 2 is unnecessary because block is too small for anything
other than two letters.
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Reviewed comment. question 2 states the buyer can use U.S.
Postal abbreviations. Therefore will fill this block has
sufficient space.
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(6) question 3 – should the words read “U.S.
city/state or district?”
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To accommodate for the District of Columbia.
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Denied, revised form to reflect –OR- Foreign Country.
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(7) question 3 - Should the words “foreign country” be
changed to “foreign country/U.S. territory or possession”?
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Denied, revised form to reflect –OR- Foreign Country.
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(8) question 7 – other areas of the form require a date use
the format MM/DD/YYYY
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For consistency couldn’t it be used for this question as
well?
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Accepted, revised and made necessary change for 21a
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(9) question 12 – the “11.l.” looks remarkably
like a number one “1”instead a letter “l”
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Is it possible to change the order of the question or use capital
letters to avoid confusion by our customers who have trouble
recognizing the lower case “l” from the numeral “1”?
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Reviewed comment, could not change this due to type set of
print.
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(10) question 18 (type of firearm(s) to be transferred) –
This should be eliminated.
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The information is already available under block 29 type and what
difference does it make if the item is a long gun, frame,
receiver, handgun, or other? Anything that necessitates using the
4473 form is consider a firearm.
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Denied, type has to be let in question 18-29, this is used
by NICS must have a description of firearm.
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(11) question 20.a. (identification)
Not comfortable in writing the date.
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Reviewed comment, spacing for date will remain the same. Cannot
input more space.
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(12) question 21.a. (NICS date) Not enough room to write the date,
practically the block is full of instructions.
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Accepted, revised and made necessary change for 21a
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(13) block 30.a. (total number of firearms) A wonderful idea that
is completely unworkable except to create an additional task for
millions of unlawful firearms seller who are not pilfering
inventory or attempting to account for lost or missing firearms.
There is no oversight by the customer when this portion of the
form is filled out. So for someone with larceny in his heart he
simply waits till the customer leaves adds whatever else he wants
to under block 26-30 and then writes the number of firearms
covered by this 4473 form in block 30.a. We are completely
opposed to this additional burden because if a person is going to
steal or conceal mistakes then he most likely will falsify the
form as well.
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Reviewed comment; will not incorporated any changes, this
is the individuals personal opinion and ATF has responded by form
letter stating that we have take this comment into consideration.
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5/27/098 (received 6/3/08)
James M. Cannon
Cannon Enterprises
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(1) Likes the new Yes/No check boxes in question 11.
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ATF has reviewed comment.
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(2) Suggest you list “bi-racial/other” block on
question 10 (race/ethnicity)
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Denied, According to Linda Barnes (Docs Services) we must
keep required race/ethnicity information as prescribed by OMB.
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(3) Keep “both” block on question 18 (type of
firearms)
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Denied, ATF Counsel recommended that both be changed to
other firearms (Frame, Receiver, etc.) to give a complete
definition of other types of firearms that may be purchased.
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5/8/08
Rob Brechmann
Owner of Breco Enterprises
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(1) E-4473 will be a winner for ATF inspectors and FFL dealers.
If done correctly, the time saved and the reduction of paper
products could be paramount to business owners and the
environment.
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Reviewed comment; an electronic version is being developed.
However, the form will still be required to be printed out and
retained.
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5/27/08
Yvonne
Evanoff-Joseph
Classic Arms Co.
Inc.
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(1) The form is too lengthy. Initially the form was one page and
is now a three page form. All pertinent information, including
signature of buyer should be on the front page.
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This would help to alleviate the problem of omitting the buyer’s
signature and date.
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Denied, Document Services – could not move this to
the first page.
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(2) There needs to be clarification of the following questions:
11.c. should clarify whether the felony or crime was expunged.
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Buyer’s are often confused and feel they are not being
truthful when answering this question.
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Denied, already incorporated in instruction under Exceptions 11c.
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(3) question 12 – needs to be rewritten for clarification
purposes
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Accepted, 11 instructions were reworded.
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(4) I question why “y” or “n” does not
suffice for answering the question (questions in 11)
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This is often times a point where compliance officers will issue
violations for the incorrect verbiage. This use of “y”
or “n” is universally known.
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Reviewed, and ATF’s position is that answers with
only “y” or “n” can be misunderstood or
illegible. Blocks changed to allow checking or marking a “yes”
or “no” answer.
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(5) As to the use of electronic and technological collection
techniques this is ill suited to small independent operations. I
have seen demonstrations of some of the commercial programs
recently the problem exists that some of the buyers of firearms
are functionally illiterate. They require additional help in
filling out the present form. It is not uncommon to find people
that cannot write. Any electronic device would require this skill
in addition to the ability to input personal information. In busy
situations, this would cause added delays for processing sales.
Secondly, the cost of such a device is a concern for small
dealers. Since having several terminals would be prohibitive.
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Reviewed, forwarded a routine letter stating we have taken
his comment into consideration.
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5/6/08
Denton Bramwell
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(1) Form 4473 presents unnecessary questions. And presents
questions in a way to invite errors. The following changes will
reduce the probability of error and reduce the amount of paperwork
required without compromising the information that must be
collected to comply with the law. Block 2 -purchaser’s
county of residence in implicit in the city and zip code
information. Eliminate the request for the purchaser’s
county.
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Denied, ATF opinion is that counties can be in multiple cities and
zip codes.
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(2) No legal requirement to be of some particular race or to
declare your race in order to purchase a firearm. While someone
might find this information useful or interesting, I do not
believe it is required. This block might be eliminated all
together. Also see comment D.
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Denied, ATF’s opinion is while there is no
requirement, the purchaser has to provide information on their
identity to the seller (which includes photo identification) and
the information is used by the FBI NICS and/or State POCs in order
to determine if a person is prohibited.
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(3) Question 13 - Purchaser’s state of residence is
requested in block 2 this question is redundant and should be
eliminated. “If you are not a citizen” issue can be
handled as instructions in Block 2
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According to David Hardy, an attorney who is one of the country’s
leading expert on firearms laws [he quotes law]
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Denied,
at this time block 2 and 13 have to
be answered by buyer.
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(4) Reference Blocks 4 (height), block 5 (weight) and block 6
(gender) and block 7 (date of birth) Address/Place of birth and
Date of Birth are sufficient to distinguish different individuals
who happen to have the same name. Blocks 4, 5, and 6 can be
eliminated.
Block 7 should have
instructions on the acceptable format for date of birth.
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The right to purchase firearms is not limited to persons of
particular height, weight, or gender.
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Denied, this information is necessary for the FBI NICS
Background Checks.
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(5) Blocks 4, 5, and 6 might be helpful to law enforcement if a
firearm is associated with a crime, but it is unreasonable to
request this information of everyone just in case they commit a
crime someday.
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Denied, this information is necessary for the FBI NICS
Background Checks.
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(6) Block 20 (identification) requires government issued
photograph identification which quickly leads to the same
information, plus a photograph.
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Reviewed comment, this information is necessary for
FBI NICS Back-
ground Checks
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(7) Block 11 (certification questions) this section is poorly
structured. It is peculiar that ATF requires the purchaser to
fill out the boxes with a full yes or no instead of a “y”
or “n”, while other branches of the government are
perfectly willing to accept ballots where the intent of the voter
can be discerned.
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Denied, ATF determined the yes and no boxes would be
helpful to the dealer and ATF inspectors, this would help to
eliminate dealers being cited for violations due to the inspection
not being able to determine what the buyer has written for y or n
and it would help the inspectors clearly identify if the purchaser
marked yes or no.
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(8) Potential error can be reduced by restructuring box 11
{commenter provided 8 examples (with etcetera) for prohibiting
categories…such as “The dealer cannot transfer the
firearm to you if any of the following are true: If you are not
the actual purchaser of the firearm….[then commenter has a
question which reads] “According to the restrictions stated
here, is the dealer legally allowed to transfer the firearm to you
[place and “x” in the correct box—yes and no and
blocks for each shown]
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Denied, ATF, opinion with this current structure most of
the opportunity for error is eliminated, and required declarations
are all made.
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(9) Perhaps some of the other declarations, such as age, could be
incorporated in this block [which was the list of prohibiting
categories listed above]
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Denied, ATF opinion is the current structure most of the
opportunity for error is eliminated, and required declarations are
all made.
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(10) Collection of the required information can be greatly
facilitated by electronic means. Adobe Acrobat produces documents
(pdf) that can be read on all types of computers. The same
software provides for user in interactive forms. Form 4473 could
be reduced to a universal readable electronic form, which
purchasers could download electronically complete, print, sign,
and carry with them to their intended purchase.
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This would be particularly helpful to those who make more than one
transaction while living at a particular residence, since a single
form could be stored and reprinted as needed.
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Denied, ATFs is currently working on it’s own
specific electronic E-version of the 4473.
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5/14/08
Douglas Lemm
Unique Outdoor Enterprises, Inc.
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(1) Serious reservations of ATF to adopt any electronic version of
ATF Form 4473.
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Regardless of how many proposed safeguards could and should be
used to protect the confidentiality of that information from
unintended access and use, the potential for privacy will still be
too great to ignore. Therefore, I am strongly opposed to any such
proposal, voluntary or mandatory to institute or even to test any
such method or systems. Please do not waste the time (yours or
ours) or the
Money (yours or ours) tax dollars on such
proposals.
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Denied, ATF will implement and electronic version of the
4473.
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U.S.P.O. stamped 6/2/08
James Brian Hehl
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(1) Question 11 – have customer continue to write “yes”
or “no”
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Denied, ATF determined the yes and no boxes would be
helpful to the dealer and ATF inspectors, this would help to
eliminate dealers being cited for violations due to the inspectors
not being able to determine what the buyer has written for y or n
and it would help the inspectors clearly identify if the purchaser
marked yes or no.
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5/5/08
Barry Laws, CEO,
Openrange
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(1) ATF F 4473 process infringes on my business. I do not get
paid for working for the government plus I take all the liability
for the forms.
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Reviewed comments, and forwarded a routine letter stating
we have taken the comments into consideration.
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(2) There are many pitfalls in the form where my liability is
open.
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(3) The forms from start to finish, take about 10 minutes of my
time or my staff’s time. Again, I’m not compensated
for this
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(4) I feel one check of ID is as much as I should have to process
any sale. I feel a federal firearm purchase ID would streamline
my work.
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(5) Gun sales have some of the smallest margins in retail. A
normal retail sale has about 40% margin. A gun sale is 12% to
15%. I realize selling guns is my choice yet the added burden of
NICS checks should be reconsidered as it further cuts into my
profits.
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(6) We need a streamlined system to process. It simply takes too
much time to process, plus I am the bearer of bad news if a
customer doesn’t pass. This creates ill will with my
customers.
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5/14/08
Dale Seieroe
Owner Dale’s Guns
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Electronic
4473; Do not believe that the E4473 would be a good direction to
go in. 1). Computers are too easy to hack into 2). Computers are
notorious for going down just at the busiest time of the day. 3).
Security is a huge problem there is no way to make these sites
secure enough. 4). No matter how it is worded I still believe
that this is a back door gun registration.
Has no problem
with the current ATF 4473 form.
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Reviewed comment, ATF will implement an electronic version
of the 4473.
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5/31/08
Richard R. Harris
Owner, Firearms Sales Co., LLC
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(1) Does like the idea of the purchaser being able to enter a
check mark in the yes or no block.
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Reviewed comment. Will not incorporated any changes, this
is the individuals personal opinion and ATF has responded by form
letter stating that we have taken this comment into consideration.
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(2) Need to add a question to the front of the form, not the back,
which addresses the issue of whether the purchaser is buying the
firearm for themselves or a legitimate gift.
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Denied, will consider upon the next renewal of form. This
form is in its final stage, and major changes would delay
producing the form on time.
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(3) Capitalize the letters, A thru L under question 11 as many of
our customer’s mistake 11.1. as the number 1.
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Denied, this will affect the formatting of the form and
This form is in its final stage, and major changes would delay
producing the form on time.
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(4) Question 11.k. asks if you are an alien illegally in the
United States. to me that would mean someone who has entered the
U.S. illegally and is not a U.S. citizen. Some customers ask for
a definition. Perhaps some additional explanation would help.
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Denied,
this is explained in the instructions.
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(5) I ask that ATF require the manufacturer and/or importer to
make sure this information on the firearm is legible. On many you
need a magnifying glass because the stamping is too small or
stamped too lightly. This also applies to the serial number.
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Denied, regulations require certain markings by
manufactures or importers.
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(6) Block 18 Section B type of firearm, Is not a shotgun with an
18” or long barrel with a pistol grip still considered a
long gun? Or are you referring to a firearm classified as any
other weapon.
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Accepted, this is addressed in question 18 Instruction.
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(7) It is my belief that ambiguity should be removed from the
4473. Under Section B. Know Your customer it is stated that the
buyer “MUST” provide a valid government issued photo
I.D. to the seller that contains the buyer’s name,
“residence address”, & date of birth, Yet if also
states that a combination of government issued documents may be
provided. How can you have it both ways.
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Please note that in VA a purchaser must have a primary and a
secondary I.D. the primary I.D. is the Virginia Drivers license or
photo I.D. issued by the Division of Motor Vehicles. The second
I.D. must contain a name address and must be the exact name and
address as appears on the primary form of I.D. However you can not
use a Virginia driver’s license in combination with a DMV
photo I.D. Nor can it be a combination of documents as the 4473
suggest. I’ve always been told by ATF that the stricter
requirement prevails. In this case I believe that to be VA.
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Reviewed comment, the types of acceptable identification is
addressed in the instructions 20a.
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(30c) It should be apparent to anyone that can count that there
are 5 spaces on the 4473 in which to list the number of firearms
purchased. If more than 5 are purchased they are then listed on a
separate sheet attached to the 4473 which we are required to keep
for at least (20) years. In my opinion, 30c is redundant.
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Reviewed comment, block 30c was added for the FFL use to provided
any additional information he/or she deem appropriate regarding
the transaction (sale of the firearm)
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5/5/08
Gary Marbut
President, Montana Shooting Sports Association,
Inc.
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(1) Concern that ATF has required FFLs to obtain a residence
address from firearm purchaser as a condition of firearm sale
completion on their form 4473.
(2) I find the
requirement for a firearm purchaser to provide a residence address
(not a postal address to be printed on the ATF Form 4473. I also
find this requirement iterated in the Code of Federal Regulations
at 27 CFR 178.11. It is noted the ATF Form 4473 declares pursuant
to the federal Privacy Act, the “Solicitation of this
information is authorized under 18 U.S.C. Section 1923(g)
Researching 18 U.S.C. Section 1923(g), I am unable to locate
anything specific that allows the ATF to impose requirement that a
purchaser provide a residence address, only that a purchaser
provide an address.
(3) As the ATF Form 4473 is reviewed and
redesigned, it needs to be brought into compliance with the letter
of congressional authority, so that it does not exceed
congressional grant of authority as the current ATF Form 4473
does. That form should simply reiterate the congressional grant
of authority by requiring an address, which would include either a
residence address or a mail address.
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Law enacted by Congress allows the ATF to require only an address
from a person purchasing a firearm from a federally-licensed
dealer, no more. The Montana Supreme Court has determined that a
mail address is a sufficient address for government purposes.
Notwithstanding this, the ATF requires on its Form 4473 that a
firearm purchaser must supply a “residence address”
and that a mail address is insufficient for the purpose and does
not satisfactorily complete the Form 4473 and purchasers are
required to show a government-issued identification that includes
a residence address (not a mailed address).
Please be advised that personal privacy is an
individual right Montana citizens have affirmatively reserved to
themselves protected from government intrusion by a provision of
the Montana Constitution, to wit: Article II, Section 10, Right
of privacy. The right of individual privacy is essential to the
well-being of free society and shall not be infringed without the
showing of a compelling state interest.
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Reviewed comment, Will not incorporated any changes, this
is the individuals personal opinion and ATF has responded by form
letter stating that we have taken this comment into consideration.
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6/13/08
Kevin L. Dodson
Manager of Loss
Prevention
Dick’s Sporting Goods
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(1) Question 1 can a description of what should be done for middle
initial only be added.
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Accepted, this is addressed on the form in block 1. Middle
Name (if no middle name , state “NMN”)
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(2) Question 2 Can the box for county be a little bigger?
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Accepted. More space is added to the box.
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(3) Question 11a By including the instruction for repair guns some
may get confused. On the back of the form it states anyone who
answers No NICS should not be contacted.
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I think it may cause some confusion. Can they just say “Yes”
if they are picking it up?
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Accepted, language was added to the instructions 11.a
Please note: EXCEPTION: if you are picking up a repaired
firearm(s) for another person, you are not required to answer
11.a. and may proceed to question 11.b.
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(4) 11a – 11l Can it instruct people to place an X
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It will be easier to cross over into other boxes to get skipped
because the spacing is to close.
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Accepted, incorporated yes no box(es) on the form and
added language to 11 instructions to state Answer 11.a. through 12
by checking or marking yes or no ect..
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(5) 11c Can it reference people pardoned or expunged to read the
instructions prior to answering.
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Accepted, incorporated language in 11.c. Exceptions.
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(6) Question 12 Please separate a little from question 11l
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Accepted,
This has incorporated with the reformatting of
the form.
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(7) 21 Make a little bigger.
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Accepted,
Additional space has been added 21.
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(8) 21c Is it possible to reference completing 21d if delayed was
checked.
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Accepted,
Incorporated in instructions for question
21,22,23, NICS Background Checks.
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(9) Question 26 Can this just say “and” instead of
“and/or”
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Denied, If the manufacturer and Importer are different, the
FFL should include both.
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(10) 30a Why does it have to be written instead of numbers and is
this question necessary?
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This will get missed a lot by dealers.
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Denied, ATF Counsel recommends FFL handwrite this
information for investigative purposes (hand writing analysis)
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(11) Questions 33,34,35 and 36 Can directions be added to indicate
what needs competed for delayed and denied transactions.
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Accepted, this is included in the instructions
Transferor/Sellers Information.
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(12) Can a standard format be suggested for the dates mm/dd/yy or
mm/dd/yyyy etc…
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Accepted, this has been changed for 21a.
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(13) In question two it states two letter abbreviations are
acceptable ST. and Rd. What about Ave. and Blvd etc.. I think
stating two letters will cause confusion. Might be easier to just
let State abbreviations be only acceptable.
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Accepted, language has been incorporated in question 2,
stating two letter abbreviations are acceptable.
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6/30/08 Walter Meissner
Auto Sport Distributors
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(1) I feel the page layout would be much easier to store (for
FFLs) than the present layout.
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Provided an example of ATF Form folded layout.
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Denied. This layout cannot be accepted at this time.
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6/27/08 Jake McGuigan
National Shooting Sports Foundation, Inc.
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(1) We appreciate the efforts of ATF to make improvements which
both streamline the process for our retailers and make it easier
for the consumer.
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Reviewed Comment. Will not incorporated any changes, this
is the individuals personal opinion and ATF has responded by form
letter stating that we have taken this comment into consideration.
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(2) The initial instructions on the Form 4473 have all been bolded
including the directions to “PLEASE PRINT” which
should keep customers from using handwriting. The order of the
instructions are also more logical and has been renumbered to
correspond to the question or block on the form. All of these are
major improvement over previous versions of the form.
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Reviewed Comment. Will not incorporated any changes, this
is the individuals personal opinion and ATF has responded by form
letter stating that we have taken this comment into consideration.
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(3) The instructions from Item 2 now state that the two-letter
postal service abbreviation for the stat can be used. Item 2 has
also been rearranged to provide more space for the country of
residence, looking at the form though it seem that even more space
could be created by slightly narrowing the zip code box.
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Accepted. reworded language to U.S. Postal abbreviations
are being accepted.
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(4) From a simple consistency standpoint Item 7 should have the
directions write the date mm/dd/yyyy.
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All other sections of the form are is in this format.
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Accepted, change to 20a has been incorporated.
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(5) The biggest change to the entire form takes place with
regards to questions 11 and 12 which will now have two columns on
the right, side, one labeled yes, and on with not. The
instructions have been amended to add directions that the buyer
must check yes or no to each question.
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This is a positive change and will lead to fewer retailers having
mistakes on a Form 4473 that contains “Y” or “N”
as answers.
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Reviewed comment. Will not incorporated any changes, this
is the individuals personal opinion and ATF has responded by form
letter stating that we have taken this comment into consideration.
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(6) The yes or no columns are a major change that we feel should
be made, but at the same time there are some negatives. It seems
that the boxes in the current draft form might be a little small
and too narrow.
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A better solution to the yes or no checks boxes would be having
both words written next to the question each in a column and the
purchaser could circle either word. This will avoid possible
stray marks in other boxes and be clear to the dealer and
purchaser the intent of the answer.
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Reviewed comment. Changes to the columns have been
incorporated.
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(7) Items 12 and 13 of the form involving non-immigrant aliens
have been clarified for the better.
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This change is a positive to the 4473, but since this section only
affects a small number of consumers the ATF might want to consider
a form strictly for aliens (non-resent and resident). The ATF
developed a Spanish version of the 4473 which has been a
tremendous help for dealers and having a separate page dedicated
to resident and non resident aliens would also help to clarity the
process.
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Reviewed comment. Will not incorporated any changes, this
is the individuals personal opinion and ATF has responded by form
letter stating that we have taken this comment into consideration.
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(8) There is an expressed need from our members to have a section
to include a customer’s phone number somewhere in Section A.
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There a many situations where an FFL needs to contact customers
after a sale. A perfect example of this is for any corrections
the dealer needs to make, a delayed background check, or even a
product recall. Many retailers already write the phone number
down in the margin, but formalizing the procedure by creating a
section will take some of the hassle out of contacting a customer
after they leave the store.
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Accepted, A new block 30c has been added for any optional
information.
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(9) There has been addition to Item 18 to include “other”
firearms. This will allow our dealers who transfer receivers, for
example, to have a place to enter it on the form.
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Reviewed comment. Will not incorporated any changes, this
is the individuals personal opinion and ATF has responded by form
letter stating that we have taken this comment into consideration.
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(10) Item 21a is one of the most frequently missed by FFLs. This
is the section where the
FFL records the date that NICS or
the State agency conducted the background check.
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Moving the word date to the front should help retailers from
overlooking it but simply making “date” boldfaced
would also let it stand out more and not be easily missed.
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Accepted, the date format has been changed for 21a.
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(10) Item 26 has now been clarified to note that both the
manufacturer and the importer must be entered, if they are
different. Very often this is missed but these changes should
draw enough attention to hopefully eliminate the problem.
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Reviewed comment. Will not incorporated any changes, this
is the individuals personal opinion and ATF has responded by form
letter stating that we have taken this comment into consideration.
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(11) Item 30a is a new section that requires the total number of
firearms transferred to be entered. Having the number written
will also help in eliminating missing inventory through either
changing or adding stolen firearms to previously completed 4473.
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While it is good this section of the form is not seen by the
consumer so in actuality there is no oversight and nothing
stopping the dealer or employee from filling in the form after the
customer leaves. A simple solution could be to slightly change
the signature line so that the customer writes the number of
firearms he is accepting or circles a number from 1-5. That would
at least provide a better check.
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Denied. ATF has determined that a written numeral will be
required.
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6/30/2008
Luke D. Thompson
Big 5 Sporting Goods
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(1) Question 1 We suggest that the instruction to this question be
modified to specify how a purchaser with a hyphenated last name
should enter their name on the form.
(2) Question 2 we
suggest that the “two-letter” restriction for U.S.
Postal abbreviations be removed, thereby allowing all U.S. Postal
abbreviations for the Current Residence Address field.
(3) Question 2 We
suggest that the form or instructions be modified to specify that
City and County information must be fully spelled out, with no
abbreviations.
(4) Question 20(c)
We suggest that the form be modified to provide additional space
or two (2) additional lines to allow for information relating to
up to three (3) documents is the average number of documents
provided to satisfy the 90-day residency period.
(5) Question 30(b)
we suggest that instead of requiring a “Yes” or “No”
answer from all dealers (including retailers who do not conduct
Pawn Redemptions) on all forms as to whether the transaction is a
Pawn Redemption, the question be changed to include only one box
and to require that the box be checked only if the transaction is
a Pawn Redemption, as follows: “Check this box if any part
of this transaction is a Pawn Redemption.”
(6) Question 33-35.
We suggest that the instructions be expanded to specify that the
seller is not required to complete Questions 33-35, if a
transaction is cancelled by either the seller or purchaser,
without any “Denied” or “Cancelled”
response from NICS.
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Denied, instructions are self explanatory, no need to add
additional info regarding hyphenated names.
Accepted, The
U.S. Postal abbreviation has been removed.
Denied,
Question 2 spacing is sufficient for buyer to spell out with no
abbreviations.
Denied,
additional documentation can be added to the form.
Denied,
Question 30b. must have a yes or no for dealers to determine
whether to proceed with the transaction.
Denied, instructions have been clarified
to state for denial and cancelled NICS transaction the person who
completed Section B must complete Section D, questions 33-35.
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6/27/08
Fran Bishop
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Asked for draft copy of ATF F 4473.
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Forwarded Draft version of ATF F 4473
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6/24, 2008
Darrin E. Green
Double Eagle Firearms, Inc.
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Electronic version ATF 4473 benefits:
Enhance the
utility and clarity of the information to be collected.
Minimize the
burden of consumers and dealers in completing the form through
the use of automated, electronic and technological collection
techniques.e.g.,.
It would reduce
mistakes—no more violations for a “Y” instead
of a ‘Yest” and a prohibited person would not be able
to complete the form.
Shorten ATF inspections—less time
spent reviewing 4473’s.
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Reviewed comment. Will not incorporated any changes, this
is the individuals personal opinion and ATF has responded by form
letter stating that we have taken this comment into consideration.
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J.M. Gun Repair, Inc.
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Electronic ATF-4473, the electronic version will not work for most
business. A lot of individuals are not able to use a computer and
some business don’t have one. One would have to have a
special computer just for the E-4473 as you wouldn’t want
the customer using your computer. This would cost a store a lot
of money. Then many store owners aren’t able to use a
computer. One wouldn’t have easy excess to the old 4473 to
refer to information for the Tracing Center. This E 4473 would
slow down business as only one person at a time could be filling
it out where as with the paper forms multi people can fill them
out at once. Further more, ATF doesn’t allow a person to
answer with just “Y” or “N”. The word
must be written out.
What would happen if a business computer
crashed? Now, how would you get the old “E” forms off
of a crashed computer? The computer would is for ever changing so
that the type of dics used today my not work in tomorrows
computer. No how do you get the old “E” forms off?
Count this business out for the E forms.
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Reviewed comment. Will not incorporated any changes, this
is the individuals personal opinion and ATF has responded by form
letter stating that we have taken this comment into consideration.
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7/3/08
Jacquie Hair
Vice President
Cash America
Managing Associate General Counsel
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1. Section entitled “The Person Transferring the Firearm(s)
Must Complete Questions 33-36. For Denied/Cancelled Transactions,
The Person Who Completed Section B Must Complete Questions 33-35.
Cash America asks that the Notices, Instructions and Definitions
Section make it clear the “Person” referred to in this
section can mean any employee of the
corporation/company/shop/establishment, etc.
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It is difficult to ensure a particular employee will be available
to complete this Section on any given day. It may be that
employee’s day off, the employee may no longer be with the
company, etc. Cash America asks from some flexibility to
accommodate the customer and the completion of the transaction.
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2. Cash America requests that a definition be added to the
Notices, Instructions and Definitions Section that defines
Transferor/Seller as the individual handling the transaction in
which a transfer or sale is contemplated but that the title does
not imply that an actual transfer or sale has taken place.
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The requested definition is intended to make clear that the
information in items 33-35 is being completed or contemplated but
denied/cancelled transfer and not an actual transfer. Without the
definition, it appears on the face of the document as if the
firearm has been transferred.
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3. Section A, Question 11.i. Definition of Misdemeanor Crime of
Domestic Violence (found on page 4).
Cash America requests that the last sentence be
modified to clarify to the reader (buyer/customer) when he/she is
permitted to answer the question with a “no” The
current language is confusing in that it states: “A person
who has been convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence
is also not prohibited unless “(emphasis added) The also
implies that the proceeding information discussed not being
prohibited. It does not, Additionally, the information listed the
“unless” is confusing to the reader. We request a
rewording be considered.
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Form 4473 Color Cash America requests that the ATF consider
creating this form in the Yellow previously used by the ATF.
Local ATF field personnel have expressed to us a desire to have it
return to the Yellow as well. The color paper helps differentiate
the 4473 from other paperwork.
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Accepted, the form will be returned to Yellow.
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